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I ran into a ST novel in the bookshop the other day and I was fascinated by a short story, "the Smell of Dead Roses". I didn't buy it, but finished it in the shop. It was a very interesting perspective regarding Sarek and his second human wife Perrin, and actually matched my view perfectly. I'd like to write a fic on the similarity between Sarek's relationships with Amanda and Perrin, and Spock's relationship with Kirk (slash, of course) and Saavik...

However I can't seem to get a definite timeline about these individuals. I know when Kirk and Spock died...and that's about it. I've checked MemoryAlpha, but either it's because they regard ST novels as un-official sources and don't use the timeline(s) provided, or the timelines given by the novels are unclear themselves.

So I just want to come here and ask: can anyone please help me find out the years of Spock and Saavik's marriage, Amanda's death, Sarek and Perrin's marriage, and Sarek's death? Also, what happened to Perrin after Sarek's death, and what about Saavik? If the year cannot be determined then at least the approximately timeframe? Thank you so much in advance!!!

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psychedk
Aug. 11th, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
I'm not of any help, but Spock isn't dead in canon... Except for that one time in the movies, is that the one you're referring to? Also, yeah, books are not regarded as canon, but in some books you can find references to events in tos eps or movies, and then I think it's safe to assume they take place after that *g*
lirulien
Aug. 12th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC)
Yes thank you! That's my mistake, of course Spock ain't dead yet *facepalm* and I know that "he's dead and then he's not dead" incident...

I am quite new to ST fandom, one of those fangirls started from ST 11. So far I've watched TOS and the first 6 movies (because hello, I LOVE K/S), but not yet touched on TNG, DS9, or anything else. I am downloading TNG and DS9 but it's really slow going *glare at downloading*. I will try to get some ST novels, but no idea if the ones I can get my hands on will be helpful or not...
psychedk
Aug. 12th, 2009 07:41 pm (UTC)
Hey you've caught up really quickly then! *g*

I've been into ST TOS for 14 years now (I was 14 back then). I have loved K/S all these years and can never tire of them, apparently; this is the third time I start to obsess about them *g*

But I'm only into The Original Series. The other shows never intrigued me at all. I'm all about K/S and I'm all about Kirk's, Spock's and McCoy's dynamic, the heart and the human aspect and the charm of TOS and I think the other ST shows lack that warmth and depth. But that's just my opinion. I commend you for wanting to see everything! :P
feochadn
Aug. 11th, 2009 03:08 pm (UTC)
Check Memory Beta, it covers all the books (and comics, and nearly everything else).
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
lirulien
Aug. 12th, 2009 07:37 am (UTC)
Thank you thank you THANK YOU!!! I can see it's going to be helpful!!! *heart you big time*
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lirulien
Aug. 12th, 2009 07:39 am (UTC)
Thank you *big hug* I might come back and bug you later :D
larawander5
Aug. 11th, 2009 07:29 pm (UTC)
All that I know about this I learned from tng.

Sarek dies in Unification (part I) in the 5th season (2368) from Bendii Syndrome. We learn that he has this in the episode Sarek in the third season, where we also meet Perrin.

You can see how mention Picard mentions all that he knows over
here
. That he met Sarek at Spock's wedding.

That is pretty much all that I know.

Good Luck with your search!
larawander5
Aug. 11th, 2009 07:40 pm (UTC)
Oh don't forget about Sarek's first son Sybok from a Vulcan priestess that we meant in ST5 The final frontier.
larawander5
Aug. 11th, 2009 07:47 pm (UTC)
Since the whole thing with Romulus went down in 2387, I have always assumed that Perrin and Saavik are alive and kicking. It was just Spock was busy with the Romulans and his Cowboy diplomacy to mention whatever happen to them.
larawander5
Aug. 11th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
Looky at what I found over at Memory Beta, for the ST Novels!!!

Amanda died in 2293 of Reyerson's Disease whilst Sarek was unwillingly forced to continue his Ambassadorial duties. (TOS novel: Sarek)

Apparently in 2327 Sarek married Perrin.

As for Saavik in 2339, She and Spock became betrothed on Vulcan that was attended by Admiral Leonard McCoy and Lieutenant Jean-Luc Picard. She also fought in the Dominion war in 2373 with the command of the USS Alliance, while Spock was doing his Romulus shit.
yankeedoodle242
Aug. 11th, 2009 10:33 pm (UTC)
Ok, Im entirely new to ST - I never watched TOS or TNG (or any of the others) and had only seen movies 1-4 before watching TOR (I am now working my way through TOS). So I have to ask.. Spock got married to Saavik? (this is the Kirstie Alley character from ST2, right??) and as you didnt mention Kirk being at the wedding, is this after he died and how did he die?
larawander5
Aug. 11th, 2009 11:02 pm (UTC)
Umm...for what happen to Kirk it is kinda complicated. In Star Trek Generations or ST7(for those that are counting) he died. In 2293 he got caught in the Nexus until the year 2371, where he met Captain Jean-Luc Picard and helped save the lives before he died. I am not going to explain it more, you have to watch it!

As for Spock, yeah it is the same girl, but it is only mentioned in detail in the Books about the whole thing. The most you see is in actual canon of the show is in that clip I have up there of Sarek where Picard mentions he was at Spock's wedding.

As you can tell 2293 was a very traumatic year for Spock.

mockingbirdq
Aug. 11th, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
The Crucible novel describing that year (2293) is amazing, in that it really deals with Spock's reaction to Kirk and Amanda's death (although it that novel she dies in a shuttle crash instead). Only drawback was an OFC thrown in who was very Mary Sue-ish and never appeared anywhere else. Guess she was supposed to have died before he marries Saavik?

I love trying to figure out ST cannon and the complete lack of cannon in the novels.
larawander5
Aug. 11th, 2009 11:46 pm (UTC)
I know it is like fanfic and trying to keep all the stories straight. XD

That is why I usually rely on what I have seen on the tv whether it is tng, tos, ds9 or movie verse.
psychedk
Aug. 12th, 2009 07:45 pm (UTC)
Now I'm so glad I bought this book! =D
larawander5
Aug. 11th, 2009 11:15 pm (UTC)
By the way, you probably do not know this but Dr. McCoy turns out to be the longest lived human ever. He is even on TNG and you can see it here at 5:11 on this clip he is only 137 years old.
yankeedoodle242
Aug. 14th, 2009 12:51 am (UTC)
LOL "only" 137 years old.

Thanks for all the info :)
lirulien
Aug. 12th, 2009 08:55 am (UTC)
Wow honey, I love you so much!!!

I've only got TOS and the first 6 movies now; I know Sarek melded with Picard sometime in the future (meaning after movie 6) to perform his duty in a negotiation because he's got Bendii Syndrome and Perrin was with him by then, and then later he died, I just don't know the time.



I've made up a rundimental timeline as shown below:

2293: Kirk “died”. Amanda died of Reyerson Disease, Sarek wasn’t with her (on mission), Spock was (somebody else?).

2326: Sarek met Perrin, a xeno-linguist, by her interviewing him. (this timeline conflicted with The Smell of Dead Roses)
2327: Sarek married Perrin.

2339: Spock and Saavik bonded.
2344(?): Spock and Saavik married.

Mid 2360s: Sarek started suffering from Bendii syndrome.
2366: Sarek unable to control his emotion, have to meld with Picard to perform his duty.
2368: Sarek died of Bendii Syndrome at home on Vulcan, Perrin and Saavik was with him, Spock wasn’t (mission on Romulus).

2371: Kirk died for real, Picard was with him.

2387: Romulus destroy because of supernova, Spock and Nero went back to the past (ST 11)



I think according to "The Smell of Dead Roses", Sarek would've married Perrin some time later, as when Sarek told Spock the news, Saavik was with them and was referred by Perrin as part of the family. This implied that Saavik was at least bonded with Spock...

I also find it very interesting that Kirk and Amanda died in the same year. I think there is a big possibility that Spock wasn't with Kirk (and McCoy and Scotty) on Enterprise-B was because he was on Vulcan with Amanda, who was very ill at the time...wow, feel the angst!!!
larawander5
Aug. 12th, 2009 11:15 am (UTC)
Well you also have to think about how much Movies change. Like the ST11 novel has Sam (Kirk's brother) in it while the movie he is not there.

According to Wikipedia:

Leonard Nimoy declined to appear in their film, and DeForest Kelley was unable to appear since his failing health prevented him from acquiring the necessary health insurance. Their lines, as Spock and McCoy, were modified for James Doohan and Walter Koenig, as Scotty and Chekov.
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